Got my vote, but not easy. A sad day for War Bird aviation for sure. (Wikipedia is not authoritative.) Yep, although in MOST cases it needs to be a turbine engine. I don’t know about a B17, but in many smaller planes I’ve flown, the engine is like 1/3 the weight of the entire aircraft. It’s not a real good idea to be standing behind one of those piston-powered planes when they start up. Irresponsible speculation. I believe they are going to rebuild an extinct Pennsylvania railroad steam engine known as a T1. Not all of the WW1 aircraft on display are reproductions. Easily demonstarted: Put an empty beer can into a good burning campfire and it will “vanish” (turn to ashes, aluminium oxide). I highly doubt that they would fly that aircraft if they weren’t positive it was in top shape. During war time the B-17 returned many times with multiple engines out. It looked very well taken care of, and Collings is a good, dedicated bunch of people. Something clearly happened after the plane touched down, and that’s where (hopefully) the NTSB report can shed some light on the situation. You won’t want to miss Aluminum Overcast when it visits an airport near you!. Seems strange that it had trouble climbing….yes one engine was out, but were the others hampered?…if so fuel would impact all of them. I refer to this as “knowledge entropy” and it’s a potent force. To report on acceptance performance tests conducted at the manufacturer's plant on the B-17E airplane, A.C. No. My mind had trouble believing what my eyes were seeing. That young, experienced, war tested pilots could fly a B-17 with multiple engines out does not mean old(er) pilots with far less current experience should be able to handle smaller failures with comparable success. A student in the first Aviation class that they school had (A Pilot Pilot program?) On July 28, 1935, a four-engine plane took off from Boeing Field in south Seattle on its first flight. There’s probably more going on than just an engine failure. During a second evaluation flight, the B-17 experienced some mechanical issues while airborne. Let the NTSB do its job and reach its conclusion. Owing to its high price and the fact that the Great Depression was at its height, the USAAC settled for the DB-1 which was relatively cheaper. AWAIT THE NTSB REPORT. I rode on this exact aircraft as a passenger back in 2013. By the end of the first evaluation, the USAAC had budgeted for 65 B-17s. Formation flying in 4-engine airplanes presents greater problems than formation flying in smaller aircraft. This comes from actual personal experience not uninformed opinion. Very sad to see the 909 go down with its crew. Neil Mundt has updated the project titled Witches Brew V1.3.1 CV Joystick Controller. Oil analysis can identify impending internal failures before total failure. I’ll never forget that experience. Myles has updated the project titled globe RGB. Each engine has a tracked life and when certain trends start, such as unusual metal content, silicon, or carbon, it allows the oil lab to predict an engine failure. For the same reason we can’t re-manufacture Saturn V or the F-22. A B-52 has 8 TF33-P-3 turbofan engines. Something flammable? Are you kidding? However, in its day, many pilots compared it with the B-24 and declared their preference for the B-17 owing to its stability and durability. However, this mission was largely unsuccessful. I assume that any doubt causes a piece to be tossed and a replacement fabricated. For this reason he went with Hirth 3002 4-cylinder 2-stroke engines. Best if this article had simply been set aside to wait for the NTSB investigation report. The trail quickly dissipated. that seems like quite a bit of effort to build a bomber from scratch. Also, so sad to loose another treasured memory of the past. There isn’t much to the fuselage. This was a B-17 Flying Fortress which was paid for by the city of Seattle. Engine start was 7:30 AM, but we always waited for the tower to fire a green "go" flare before starting engines A red flare was a scrub or cancel. Yes, multiengine aircraft can fly on one engine. … This aircraft (and many other WW2 era ones) are from the Collings Foundation based here in MA. Looks like as they’ve gone through every part, they’ve been taking absolutely every bit of it apart, only re-using pieces that have no sings of corrosion, cracking, or bending. Although the B-17 lost the contract, the promising features of the aircraft were too good to be overlooked. Another very massive undertaking to re-create an antique vehicle was the new Tornado steam locomotive in the UK. While the Consolidated B-24 Liberator four-engined heavy bomber dropped more war tonnage and was built in greater numbers, the Boeing B-17 "Flying Fortress" four-engined "heavy" left a longer lasting memory on American military aviation history for its part in World War 2 (1939-1945). I know if it was this bird but a few weeks ago (KLAF) I heard an unmistakable rumble and looked up to see a B17 with condensate not smoke pouring out of #4 then it stopped and all was beautiful. He navigated the plane home after the nose was shot off for which he received the Distinguished Flying Cross. About 40 B-17s were captured and modified by the Luftwaffe to suit their specific needs. I believe those were tanks of deicing fluid. There’s also absolutely no reason to believe the crash happened due to the age of the plane, or even a hardware failure. The people working in WWII factories were not skilled aircraft assemblers, they were mostly unskilled workers pulled in from civilian businesses. The pilot had over 7300 hours in the B-17. I got out of there post haste, and watched it taxi by. Those old birds are actually required to meet modern safety regulations, often requiring updating and modification to be declared airworthy. They turned back to the field simply to play it safe, and in the ATC recordings the pilot doesn’t sound terribly concerned about the situation. Asymmetric thrust from failed engines leads to crashes often enough that it’s often joked that the purpose of multiple engines is simply to get the aircraft to the crash site faster. I have watched several videos of the crew(s) that fly this particular B-17. Just the day before, Seattle Times reporter Richard Williams had been lucky enough to see the heavily armored aircraft. Yes it can. What is beyond absurd is when someone posts obviously ignorant crap, can’t accept the wisdom posted by someone who clearly has a clue, and comes back with bad arguments, rhetoric and sarcasm. Despite it having crashed with only around 10 hours flying time, the crash and decades of weather exposure and vandalism did bad things to it. ... What makes the b-52 bomber fly? There are at least 6 current ground up restoration to fly projects underway now. But yeah, lets go with the idea that all weapons are bad all the time and we should just stick our heads in the sand when Nazi are kill us off. They were nicknamed “Aphrodite Missiles.”. About 25 B-17s were loaded with around 20,000lb of bombs and were modified into drones. B-52s been flying 60+ years and expected to fly another 20+. Landing gear and flaps are electric. I haven’t got a clue how statistics really work so I’ll have to ask you to stop writing about air-worthy machines. Everything you need to know about the Draco crash is here, from the mouth of the owner and pilot himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfctWAoDXvs Short story, it was 100% pilot error. However, by a long margin, crews of the Boeing aircraft have received more Medal of Honor awards than those of any other American aircraft. The people that go through these planes, service them and fly them know them like the back of their hands. Sincerely journeyman aircraft mechanic Dennis Chalut. I’ll let you guess as to how much of the engineering effort is captured in any meaningful way. 1. 3D manufacturing on a large scale won’t work, because the loads would be all wrong. Well yes and no they have done restorations that amounts to completely manufacturing an aircraft and they even remade some of the old tools. My mother was a riveter and my grandmother bucked rivets on the B-17 line at Boeing plant 2. ! And then you might have epa concerns about exhaust pollution. About a dozen of these downed planes were successfully put back into the air and were used by the Nazis against the Allies. Also, without all the engineering detail (EG material specs, treatments, calculations etc.) While only 42 model "D"swere built, by the time of Pearl Harbor the existing "C" models hadbeen upgraded to "D" specifications. And shot full of holes to boot. The loss of yet another B-17 is also tough to swallow, as this leaves just ten airworthy B-17s. Friend of mine looks after classic race cars, they’re re-casting a small gearbox housing to fix one car and the tooling alone is costing 50k – back in the day that was spread across 10, 100, or even 1000+ units so it amortises quickly – but imagine having to do that for some major large lump of aircraft like an engine block or huge wing strut where the setup costs could be 250k+ for one part. Until the results of the NTSB investigation are in, comments like this are completely worthless. What are we left with? They were also in their early to mid 70’s. Maybe put a pause on plane articles for a while. If p is the probability with which an engine fails and you assume that engines fail … In short, these guys were very good. Consequently, the USAAC went through a special F-1 funding procedure in January 1935 and procured thirteen B-17s, as YB-17s. A 14th aircraft, the YB-17A, originally destined for groun… Details about the cause of the crash are still scarce, but from radio communication between the crew and tower, it’s understood the B-17 was having having issues with the number 4 engine, which was seen sputtering and smoking by a witness. How often did the crew of this plane fly? Daniel has updated the log for Bare metal second core on ESP32. It sounds like there is a financial incentive here ‘to keep flying’. But, the net result is that there can often be raw fuel blown through the engine and into the exhaust manifold, which subsequently ignites. Most of the flying WWI aircraft are replicas. If you get sufficient damage to the control surfaces of the B17 the AI will often not be able to control the plane and it will spiral downwards. Just the day before, Seattle Times reporter Richard Williams had been lucky enough to see the heavily armored aircraft. i’d take them as pilots any day . I'm slowly shaking off the rust, but one thing I can't figure out. It largely depends on the design and what technology was available during the development of the flight control surfaces. you can make a part that is identical in every way but might fail in operation because you didn’t know they did some heat-treatment to it in production. This was a mission carried out only by B-17s. But for that project they adopted some new technologies such as using ball and roller bearings everywhere the original had plain bearings, and the project was able to get the frame rails made in a single piece instead of the two piece rails of the originals. An emergency was not declared to ATC. If it was made once it can be made again – it’s mostly just a question of money. I agree,I also flew on the 9 0 9,what a great experience and a great flight,the Collings foundation is one of the most professional organizations I have seen,and safety is their top priority. A single engine failure in a B-17 is an annoyance, not an emergency. The only way to save such a B17 is to take manual control and fly it yourself. Seeing the aftermath of the crash, I’m amazed any of them made it out alive. They actually did an engine swap on this exact aircraft when there were at my local airport (ORH – Worcester) a couple years ago. Don’t worry, it won’t be long before you can 3D print one. Yes, we’d loose something magical to have these things grounded, but failures happen in all forms of mechanical things, so at some point we’re going to loose every last one to crashes if they keep flying. A great experience, a great loss. I want to see the NTSB report on this accident. A better guess would be that the aircraft contacted an obstruction on approach, but at this point I would not hazard a guess. Pilot error, pilot error, pilot error. Most were sent to Hawaiiand the Philippines. Rolling out of the Boeing hangar, it was simply known as the Model 299. Seattle Times reporter Richard Smith dubbed the new plane, with its many machine-gun mounts, the “Flying Fortress,” a name that Boeing quickly adopted and trademarked. 5. The idea that the B-17 is too complex to maintain in this day and age seems a bit naive given the aircraft flying today. It can even alert to things like rubber seals failing. Definitely a tragedy that this happened, but it’s arguable that these types of aircraft just shouldn’t be flown any longer. https://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-br-windsor-locks-bradley-international-airport-b-17-crash-victims-20191003-cfdp7c5crbfp7jfknchgggku6q-story.html. Made by the Boeing company, this four-engine heavy bomber got airborne for the first time on July 28, 1935. The sound from those four large radial engines was just incredible. Yep thank you for clarifying it for me. End result: the first copy would cost a good portion of a stealth fighter. Lo and behold there was a partly assembled B-17 undergoing a frame-out restoration, along with the front half of a B-29. And, some of them still fly. Anything is possible with enough money and dedication. My heart is with all. The 777 is ETOPS 240 ,if I am not wrong, meaning that it can fly 240 minutes on one engine in laymans terms , and flights are planned to be within 240 minutes of flying to the nearest airfield . First reports mentioned that the plane didn’t seem to be able to gain altitude, and my reaction was “with 3 engines and no payload, that shouldn’t have been a problem”. Below are some interesting facts about this magnificent aircraft. Simple math and war history tells you that those pilots had way more experience flying that bird than any wartime pilot. First Mike Patey’s Draco and now a this B17.. Listen my children and you shall hear of the true tale of the Gimli Glider. And THAT is a good explanation why far worse damaged B-17s returned and landed years ago. Airplane equipped with four (4) Wright R-1820-65 engines with torque meters; exhaust driven turbo superchargers; 3-bladed constant speed propellers, blade design No. That’s enough power for someone to take a seat in and take off! And you forgot that workers of today do not necessarily know how things have been usually done in their trade 70-80 years ago, the set of skills is different today. Tragedy on many levels – terrible loss of life and injury, and loss of a true piece of history. This was well before 9/11, mind you. flyable replicas are a thing for a lot of smaller warbirds, though idk about bombers. In it’s absence the fight to take back mainland Europe would have been protracted greatly or not have happened at all. I think it was the Texas Raiders from the Commemorative Air Force. Spellbound by the sight of several .35 caliber machine guns fixed all over the plane, “Flying Fortress” was a description that sprang to his mind, and indeed, it was a fitting name. As Worldvoyager has pointed out , having twice as many engines does not help you , since the probability of an engine failure is twice as much too !! Then, they start the fuel flowing, and, finally close the valves, as they engage the magneto. But even then, incidents can happen. This particular machine was commissioned as a deterrent and ended up being pivotal in freeing a continent from an oppressive fascist regime that was specifically targeting civilians by using strategic bombing to target industry and military responsible for producing the munitions Hitler had raining down daily over Great Britain. Now you can argue that losing the engine made for a more stressful landing, and that caused the crew to make a mistake, but that’s still ultimately falls under operator error. A replica B17 though would likely use different engines and be built using modern airliner techniques for reasons of practicality. Decades ago, I was sitting in my office, which was about half-way up in the tallest building in Lexington, Kentucky, when I heard a strange rumbling sound. A group brought a B-17 (possibly 909 but I can’t recall for sure) and B-24 to Gainesville for an airshow some years back. That leads to another set of “why?” Engine fire damaging hydraulics for flaps, sudden decrease of lift? And the specific engine failure they suffered results in a particularly difficult to control airplane. About 640,000 tons of bombs were dropped on Nazi Germany and its territories by the B-17, a significant percentage of the 1.5 million tons dropped in all sorties against Nazi Germany. A pilot also commented that the fuel is a low octane and in WWII the fuel was a much higher octane to produce more power. The problems increase in almost direct proportion to the airplane’s size and weight. It’s about 2/3 the size of a B-17 so it’s not beyond a determined group of people to pool their knowledge and skills to re-create a B-17. Very sad for those on board. My sister’s Farther-in-Law (mentioned in a previous article) told me that after a fiery crash, there wasn’t much left of any wreckage, They would rake through the debris, and find some bone fragments and send those back to the families as the “body” of their loved one. During this mission, it failed to return and was declared Missing in Action—MIA. 3: All engines during that time period rotated counter-clockwise (from the pilots perspective) with the russians being the exceptions (excluding foreign license produced engines) The German Bf 109 had rammed itself into the All American, severely damaging it. The B-17 was massive, taking a little bit of time to fire up all four engines. After it appeared on HaD it suffered a nasty crash. But, the rumbling kept getting louder. While it’s always possible the engine failure wasn’t related to the crash, it’s beyond absurd to suggest there’s no reason to believe it wasn’t. I extend my sympathies. A total of 376 B-17 bombers were used on this ambitious expedition, aimed at crippling the German aircraft industry. The flight controls on a B-17 are not hydraulic, but operated by cables directly from the yoke and rudder pedals. The airplanes were designed to be built by these unskilled workers. Learn how your comment data is processed. Engine failures occur in ALL types of aircraft (including those that carry hundreds of people), so there’s no point in changing the laws because of one tragic plane crash that was probably caused, at least in part, by an unpredictable issue. Planes don’t crash just because they’re old. Hackaday Podcast 099: Our Hundredth Episode! Including Champain Lady, Desert Rat, the new Liberty Belle, Lacy Lady, and at least 2 which haven’t been given names that I now of yet. The tooling was recycled a long time ago. How long until we say farewell to this part of our history, with the final flight of a B-17, or its kin? I wish I’d realized the Belle was up in Ohio back when I was living in Kentucky, I wouldn’t have minded getting to see her now that I’m an adult haha. Out of only four Black Widows that remain, it will be the only one that will fly. Aluminium melts at something like 600°C and it also starts to oxidise. Of the thirteen people on board, seven died, with the remaining six surviving with injuries. It’s thin aluminum sheet riveted into a box structure to give it strength. I saw a Super Connie blow a 20 foot fireball out of the #3 engine while it was starting up one day. The fuel cost is nothing to snicker at…90 gallons per hour at cruise. They claimed the B-17 Flying Fortress could still fly better than the B-24 even if it had one damaged engine. I have flown in and flown the show “Memphis belle” as the air show director. This wasn’t a failure of FAA regulation or a manufacturer’s quality issue, it was a failure of one engine. We feel terrible about such loss of life and hope the injured make a speedy recovery. Parts are hard to come by, tooling for parts doesn’t exist anymore and most people qualified are seniors retired. It’s as if you’re asking for another beat-down. So maybe that’s why it couldn’t stay aloft. But even better, a modern airliner can fly with NO engines. Nonsense! (Go listen for yourself.) When the pilot ran up the engines to taxi, the propwash blew both my kids into the bushes behind us. Unfortunately the aircraft ran off the runway and struck a building, after which it burst into flames. Having a couple of engine out experience in the B-17, it’s typically a procedure and not an emergency. Right. :D. Same thing happened with that crazy powerful STOL aircraft named Draco. B-52 bomber financing in World War 2? The preliminary report says engine #4 was feathered and #3 was “partially feathered” and it’s not clear why #3 was. Something happened, and the pilots weren’t able to recover. I’ve been in one and it was fly by wire…the wire being a cable leading the control surfaces. Question: If two engines on the same wing of a 747-400 fail, can the jet fly on the other two?-- submitted by reader Jack Ryan, Ohio. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. We were walking around the backside of the parking ramp when the -24 loaded up some passengers and lit off those four big radials. It is this exceptional design that has kept them working in the hands of unskilled tinkerers over the decades. As a result, it crashed and both aviators of the aircraft were killed. Not knowing what actually happened until the investigation is over puts blame on pilot error, hydraulic malfunction, engine problems, etc. TWO B-17S COLLIDE AND STICK TOGETHER IN FLIGHT. (photo: facebook) Some new pictures surfaced last evening on the Bally Bomber facebook page showing Jack Bally's incredbile 1/3 scale B-17 replica fully assembled and sitting next to a Cessna 140. The people who maintain these “large complex” aircraft do fantastic work! Losing an engine in flight is not usually a particularly serious problem and the pilots are given extensive training to deal with such a situation. isn’t flaps normally actuated with lead screws to avoid that problem? It was a fantastic experience. They do it because they love it and want to, not because it’s a job. Daniel has updated the project titled ESP32 micropython led matrix driver. Incidentally, this is the very same airplane which we covered only a number of days ago. I’ve been driving back and forth to Atlanta for work for years now, and finally took the time to duck off of 75 and check out the museum in Warner Robins. Since my desk faced the window, I looked through the window at the street below, and didn’t see anything out of the ordinary down there. 2: The torque of an engine applies a force on the roll axis, not the yaw axis. Even if the anecdotal reports that the plane had come in too low prove out, it is too soon to attribute that to the failed engine. A. Hey guys, I recently re-discovered this game after a long time not playing it. If they started now and raised the funds, it would take 30 to 40 years to complete. This is a name given to a B-17 Flying Fortress which had gone head-on against a German Bf 109 aircraft several feet above the ground in Tunisia. “There’s also absolutely no reason to believe the crash happened due to the age of the plane, or even a hardware failure.”. 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Morbid maybe, but when I read about this crash the first thing that came to mind was the Hackaday writer’s comments about not feeling quite up to booking a spot on this old bomber… The same thing that makes it hard to just manufacturer some new ones presumably makes it hard to keep the existing few airworthy with anything like the degree of confidence you’d have with a plane for which new spares and up-to-date living documents on procedures and such were kept. The NTSB has indicated that they have dispatched a team to investigate the crash, and say that a preliminary report is likely two weeks away. They’re just too large and complicated to be maintained by small groups of volunteers. BTW, my pop was a navigator on B29, pacific. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOTxPEPyEiw They thought it was great. Early versions proved to be more vulnerable to fighter attack than anticipated, but, by the time the B-17E version began to go into service shortly before the United States entered the war in 1941, the plane was equipped with turrets in the upper fuselage, belly, and tail. Could bad or incorrect fuel be the issue? A total of 17 Medal of Honor awards were given to B-17 crewmen, many of which were awarded posthumously. One person on the ground was injured as well. And stop the speculation already let the investigators do there job. I just flew on this particular plane a few months ago in Oklahoma. The first prototype bomber flew in mid-1935, and the B-17 entered small-scale production in 1937. The bombers used for this operation were B-17s. :D Wish I’d had the cash to take a ride in one of those beauties. Not in any way intended to disparage the pilots, but it’s a simple fact that reactions slow with age, which is why, unless I’m mistaken, airline pilots in the US are required to retire by 65 – a decade younger than these pilots. About 12,732 units of the B-17 Flying Fortress were produced between 1936 to 1945. The vintage bomber (civilian registration number N93012) has been all but completely destroyed in the fire, with only a section of the wing and tail remaining recognizable. Sad for this to have happened. Machines like this is what helped rid of the Nazis and end WW2, the Fordson tractor helped feed the soldiers that finished the job. The last recorded B-17 crash came back in 2011, when an engine fire broke out on a Flying Fortress en route to Indianapolis. Neil Mundt has added a new log for Witches Brew V1.3 CV Joystick Controller. Hence the aileron trim must be applies rather than the rudder. 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